Joey Ramone is a sweet soul. Alison was taken aback by how profoundly intelligent he is, and how passionate and proud he is about his life as Joey Ramone. He also made us go through all sorts of emotions, from laughter to tears, and got Alison all misty-eyed more than once. He’s also a big flirt! He teased Mimi about her ADD, and we found out that he also dealt with similar issues throughout his life, as well as mental health issues. He is an incredibly deep, generous spirit who came forward on his own to be interviewed for this project (he just showed up around Mimi). He talked to us about being empathic, embracing all of who you are, the punk movement, his mental health issues, and how he helps inspire people now. Oh and yeah, Jim Morrison was still hanging around from the Edgar Allen Poe interview!
Alison: I forget who are we doing next?
Mimi: I didn’t tell ya! Joey Ramone.
Alison: Joey Ramone?! Oh my God! I’d never even thought! Yeah, I’ve listened to The Ramones.
Mimi: Do you know anything about him, though?
Alison: Not a thing. Not a damn thing. All I know about him is the terrible haircuts, their big noses, and the music – the popular music – I’ve never even had an album of theirs.
Mimi: [Giddy] Oh! He’s here! I just heard “Hey, Ho, Let’s Go!”
Alison: [Laughs] Awesome. I started seeing him as soon as you started talking about him. What was it…[Starts singing] Gina is a punk rocker.
Mimi: Sheena! Sheena is a punk rocker.
Alison: Sheena, Yeah! Yeah, see? [Laughs]
Mimi: I can just feel him smiling and laughing. They’re [spirits] so happy to do this!
Alison: Yeah, that’s what I’m getting off him, it’s fun. You know, yesterday when we [Alison’s Shiny Show] interviewed Henry IIIV, he wasn’t enjoying being that person again, by the end of it he was really glad to let it go, he didn’t want to do it. But these guys are really happy to play…it’s like one last swan song, “one last chance to be me.”
Joey Ramone: That’s a great title for a song, “One last chance to be me.”
Mimi: It is, actually!
Mimi and Alison start talking at the same time, and the conversation becomes confusing.
Alison: He’s laughing at you, he says you’ve got a crazy brain.
Alison: You! You’ve got a crazy brain, it’s scattered. [Laughs]
Mimi: I know that, thanks! [Laughs]
Mimi: Who said that, Joey?
Alison: Joey, yeah. [Laughs]
Mimi: I have ADD, I take offence! [Laughs]
Alison: Oh ok! I didn’t know that! [Laughs]
Mimi: I do have ADD, but I don’t take offence. He’s absolutely right, it’s true! [Laughs]
Alison: Yeah, scattered brain, it’s all over the place. What he’s showing me is that your brain fires randomly all over the place, and it gets you tripping over your words, you can’t get your words out fast enough because your brain is going so incredibly fast.
Mimi: That’s the greatest explanation I’ve ever heard. Thank you, Joey Ramone! [Laughs]
Alison: Yeah, total visual, it was brilliant! [Laughs] It’s like seeing your brain as a landscape and little bits of it are lighting up like little electric pulses, it was wonderful.
Mimi: I had a six o’clock appointment today and I forgot – with a client! That’s the kind of brain I have, cause I’m focused on doing other things, and then I…I basically have no life, anymore! [Laughs] All I do is think. When I go to bed at night, I don’t want to sleep, I just want to be awake all the time and think. You don’t want to be me, ever.
Joey Ramone: I WAS you.
Alison: Maybe he had similar issues going on.
Mimi: I think so, that wouldn’t surprise me. Yeah, we get each other Joey. You get me. So Joey Ramone, describe your personality to us in one word.
Joey Ramone: Crazy.
Alison: Before you even finished asking, it was “Crazy”.
Mimi: What was your greatest challenge in your life as Joey Ramone?
Alison: He’s thinking about how to put this. He’s a really intelligent – REALLY intelligent – soul.
Joey Ramone: Thank you.
Alison: His biggest challenge was output. He couldn’t get the work out as fast as he could think of it.
Mimi: There we go. That’s why he understands me. That’s me!
Mimi: What was your greatest quality?
Alison: [Laughing] He’s pointing to his hair!
Mimi: Which is kind of similar to mine! So he IS me!
Alison: [Laughs] So that was his silly answer. His greatest quality was…he’s kind of indicating that he didn’t feel that he really had a “great” quality. It was the whole package. Now this is not coming from ego; this is not being able to separate individual parts of him, like his talent or his voice or his musical skills, or any of those. He’s showing me it’s a package deal. The greatest quality was everything, the overall person. Which is wonderful, but it’s definitely not coming from ego. I don’t want to put that across cause that’s not the way he’s showing it to me, it’s not an ego thing.
Mimi: You mean he’s not being narcissistic about it?
Mimi: That’s not what I would get from that either.
Alison: But I’m also feeling that he was a deep thinker. As much as he wanted to express himself, he couldn’t really express himself to other people. The only way he was really able to express himself was musically. And like he said before, he couldn’t get the ideas out as fast as he could think of them. But in terms of other people, he wasn’t really someone who communicated well. And he says that’s where you and he differ, cause you really do have that skill.
Mimi: Right…sometimes I don’t think I do, but yeah.
Alison: No, he says you’re a great communicator, you’re very articulate in the way you put things down. Yes, so he’s admiring you for that.
Mimi [blushing]: Joey Ramone, I like you! [Laughs] What was he here to learn?
Alison: He always takes a little minute to think about what he wants to say. I think that’s part of his personality. Alright, I think he’s kind of joking here…
Joey Ramone: I was here to learn to get along with other people and I failed miserably.
Alison: When he shows me himself, there is a distance between him and other people, like a communication void.
Mimi: He seemed very shy. That’s just the energy he gave out whenever I saw him. I could tell that he was very shy, reserved.
Alison: He’s calling himself the “Reticence Man”. What the hell is the Reticence Man? [Laughs]
Mimi: I don’t know but I like it!
Alison: Yeah, sounds good doesn’t it? I’ll have to look up the word reticence cause I’m not entirely sure what it means!
Mimi: It means “hesitant”.
Alison: Oh well yeah, there you go, so that makes sense then, The Reticence Man.
Mimi: What was his life purpose?
Joey Ramone: To challenge people musically.
Alison: Straight away. No doubt about that. Being part of the punk movement. Although he says a lot of their stuff might not have been strictly punk rock, they walked the line sometimes with their music, but it was that era that they [The Ramones] knew they had to come into as a soul group, and it was to be part of that: challenging people musically. What is music and what isn’t music? Everything is music in the music industry, but what is your perception of what music is? That’s what they were about, challenging people musically. I’m loving this, he’s coming through me so beautifully.
Mimi: He seems to be used to it. He’s done this before.
Alison: Yeah! What I get from them [well known spirits] is they were such good communicators – even if he said he wasn’t a good communicator – because they were in the public eye. So they’ve got those skills on the other side as well. They know how to reach an audience.
Mimi: That’s fascinating.
Alison: So to challenge people musically. And that’s absolutely perfect, it really is what the punk movement did. Scared parents to death!
Mimi: Yeah, although they weren’t as “scary” as the Sex Pistols.
Joey Ramone: We were smoother.
Mimi: Yeah, they had all that bubble gum, 60s girl group influences and so it was a lot more accessible. And they had that ghoulish look, with the striped shirts.
Alison: He loved The Sex Pistols.
Joey Ramone: Johnny Rotten!
Mimi: John Lydon is one of my favorite people in the world, I love him so much. But I digress. What are you most proud of, Joey Ramone?
Alison: Everything that they achieved as a band: the music, the influence. The hearts that they touched of the young people, is what he’s most proud of, specifically. The hearts that they touched. [Teary-eyed] … Gosh my empathy skills are just going through the roof lately…
Mimi: But it’s very touching, I wasn’t expecting him to go there. It’s very beautiful.
Alison: And it’s not just a little bit proud, it’s VERY proud. It’s like “Yeah! We made a difference!”
Mimi: He was very sensitive. The level of shyness that I felt from him, to me that’s extreme sensitivity.
Alison: He’s actually calling himself empathic. That was one of his problems with other people, because he could absorb their emotions far too easily. That’s part of why he was so good at creating, because of all the stuff he was intuiting from other people. He’s giving me the impression that a lot of what he got was intuited. He could pick up – it’s almost as though he was telepathic – he could pick up on other people’s thoughts, maybe not in a direct way, but in an “intuitive feeling” way. That’s basically an empathic, what he’s describing.
Mimi: I’m not surprised.
Alison: And too much of that put him on overload, because he didn’t understand what it meant to be empathic, he just…was he bipolar?
Mimi: I do believe so. I don’t know that much, but I think so.
Alison: That’s what I just got from him that he was bipolar and being a bipolar is one the skills – he’s calling it a skill – that you are empathic and can pick up on those extremes, and those extremes drag you in all the different directions, and it’s almost impossible to have a normal life when you are bipolar. Part of the new generation of humans being born on this planet, the bipolarism, he says they just don’t fit into this time period because there are far too many extreme emotions here at this time. So yeah, that’s interesting.
Alison is still sniffing from shedding a few tears earlier.
Mimi: Do you need to grab a Kleenex? Poor thing. [Laughs]
Alison: [Laughs] He just asked me to tell you how beautiful you look.
Joey Ramone: You look like the quintessential punk rock chick.
Alison: In that time period I guess, yeah.
Mimi’s jaw falls to the floor.
Mimi: … Ok, I need a moment, excuse me. [Laughs]
Alison: The way you just sat then, frozen on the screen, he went “That’s an album cover, right there.”
Mimi: … [still shocked] he’s flirting with me, isn’t he? [laughs]
Alison: He *is* flirting with you, and he’s so creative, just really creative. And he’s got this way of looking at things, like side on. We might look at it straight on, but he’s got this way of checking it out from different angles. I sort of feel like in another life he could have been a really great photographer. Somebody who had this capacity to see in such a way that it translated into film. Very intelligent.
Mimi: What is he least proud of?
Alison: Ok…I keep getting images of bad behavior. Peeing up against walls in the street, just generally being an unruly…uncontrolled…
Alison: Punk! Yeah, just doing the punk thing. That’s it, just being…he’s calling it “slammin’.”
Mimi: Did he have a life review when he passed?
Joey Ramone: I sure did!
Alison waits for more.
Alison: Let me see if he’s gonna tell us anything because it stopped there! [Laughs]
Joey Ramone: It was expansive, there was far more in it than I really wanted to bother with.
Mimi: Yeah so far, it doesn’t sound like fun.
Joey Ramone: There were so many highs and lows and it all came in at me so fast. On the one hand, it felt like time had stood still yet on the other hand, it was gone in a heartbeat. But I still experienced the fullness of every part of my life in that review. It’s not something I would ever want to do again as Joey Ramone.
Mimi: What can he tell us about his passing?
Alison: I’m hearing the word “drugs”. He’s talking like he caused his own downfall because he didn’t look after himself. He didn’t have a good sense of self. Say organic food – forget it. If he wanted it, he ate it, it didn’t matter what it was.
Joey Ramone: It’s my body and I’ll party if I want to.
Mimi: [Laughs] That’s a great quote!
Alison: It is, isn’t it! So he didn’t look after himself, he brought his ill health on himself because he didn’t look after himself. He destroyed his guts, with what he put in his body. He’s talking about his endocrine system, the whole bit, but particularly his stomach. [We later found that Joey died from lymphoma, which is an endocrine disease. The link with dietary choices is still being researched.]
Joey Ramone: I didn’t do my stomach proud.
Alison: He just didn’t look after himself. Whatever he wanted to eat and drink, he ate and drank, he really didn’t have a care. So he brought on his own health troubles.
Mimi: And it sounds like he would do it again.
Alison: As Joey Ramone, he wouldn’t have had it any other way.
Mimi: Exactly. What was his opinion about God or spirituality or things like that before he passed?
Alison: There wasn’t one. There was no God. He felt that – and he says this is quite a common theme for people – that if there was a God, that there wouldn’t be any injustice in the world, but there was, therefore there was no God. That was his logic. He understands now though that that logic was a complete fallacy, but also that that logic had been put out there by authorities…authorities had led people to believe that God was judgmental. His thoughts were “if there was a true God, a true God would not allow this to happen”, but he did not understand the nature of God, so therefore there was no God.
Mimi: So, what does he understand now?
Joey Ramone: God is everything, God is everywhere.
Alison: That’s it. That’s as far as he’s going.
Mimi: Is there a past life that influenced your life as Joey Ramone?
Alison: He’s taking his time to answer this one. He’s making me scratch my head…this is him thinking about it [scratching head].
Joey Ramone: You know what, Joey was fairly unique. I had a job to do. We had a specific role to play.
Alison: He’s really struggling to find anything that could have inspired it.
Joey Ramone: You’ve got to think about the time period as a wave, and the inspiration for the wave came slowly. Those of us who wanted to join the peak of that wave came in. We saw how the [music] industry was traveling [changing], and we also saw how we could push that wave even further.
Alison: That’s more of his influence for that life than anything else. Actually seeing how music was travelling in the music industry. He really can’t find another life.
Joey Ramone: It’s so unique, that time period. There’s nothing on this earth, past, present or future, that can even remotely touch that. It was almost like it was a magical happening, how it grew…
Alison: He’s going back to the 1920s. I’m getting goose bumps, now.
Joey Ramone: The war inspired such great art in people. From there, if you want to go back even further, you can go back into art history, where paintings, artworks of that nature…that was the music of that time period, and that translated and opened up everything for the future, for post-modernism. The punk rock movement is really part of that same post-modern wave of artistic inspiration.
Alison: Phew! [Joey’s statement above took a lot of energy for Alison to channel. He was sending her a lot of information very quickly.]
Mimi: Mind blown.
Alison: Yes, me too.
Mimi: So in his next life, he will be a university teacher, a PHD.
Joey Ramone: I already am a teacher, but I’m choosing to teach from the spirit side rather than from the bodily side.
Mimi: What is he teaching?
Alison: Inspiration. He’s teaching people to find their own inspiration.
Joey Ramone: Too many people suppress their creative abilities, because they think they’re not good enough or they look at somebody else and go “well that’s better than anything I can do so I won’t do it.” That’s bullshit. Everybody’s got it in them, we’re all channels to our higher selves.
Alison: So that’s what he’s doing. He’s teaching people to find their inspiration and then to follow through with it.
Joey Ramone: It’s just another form of that wave.
Mimi: Right. How does he do that? Does someone know they are channeling Joey Ramone, for example? Probably not, but how does he pick who he gets to inspire?
Alison: He’s showing me that people’s crown chakras [the energetic center above your head], from the spirit world, are lit up. And they can see from where they are who is creatively ready. And they can come into that person’s [energetic] field and whisper to them. A lot of people think it’s their own thoughts, but a lot of it is from spirit. If somebody’s got an idea, they’ll find that idea within them and they’ll bring it to the surface, in that person’s thoughts, and they will do it over and over until that person finally sits down and pays attention, starts to write or draw or paint, or any of those outlets. So that’s what they do, they try and lift those ideas up into the conscious mind. So it’s just a question of seeking those who have that connection going on [she points to the head]. It’s almost like we’re walking around on the end of a white, sparkling pole. Some of us are more lit up than others.
Mimi: That was a beautiful response, thank you. There’s no specific past life that influenced his life as Joey Ramone, so does he have any plans of coming back here?
Joey Ramone: Not any time soon.
Alison: What he’s saying is that his life as Joey was so strongly influential on him, he learned so much through that, that he’s now able to be a guide to people.
Mimi: Who does he hang out with up there?
Alison: Well Jim [Morrison] is still here [still hanging from the Edgar Allan Poe interview] A couple times when I’ve been listening to you I could feel them communicating but I can’t hear them. But I know they’re connecting.
Mimi: Ah, it’d be nice to have that conversation.
Alison: Joey’s telling me that he loves Bob Marley. Above all else, he loves Bob Marley.
Mimi: Wow, that’s not the answer I would have expected from him.
Alison: He’s calling him the quintessential music man.
Joey Ramone: He sang about love, and that’s what, ultimately, everybody needs to know. There’s nothing else. It’s all about love.
Alison’s eyes well up.
Mimi: Don’t make her cry, Joey!
Alison: [Laughs] Yeah, can you see the eyes tearing up?
Mimi: So does he have any final messages for us?
Joey Ramone: [To Mimi and Alison] Keep doing what you’re doing, and Sheena really, truly was a punk rocker.
Alison: I’m wondering if he knew Sheena as a person, who really was a punk rocker, perhaps. [laughs]
Joey was generous to talk to Mimi and Alison about Psychic Punx and their respective projects, which we’ll keep to ourselves. 🙂 We asked him to provide Psychic Punx readers with a message as well.
Joey Ramone: Enjoy being who you are. If you’re the guy who’s angry, sullen and aggressive, don’t punish yourself for it. Don’t punish yourself for who you are just because somebody says you’re wrong.
Mimi: Wow, so that’s similar to what Edgar Allan Poe told us. I agree with that. Just be.
Alison: Just be, yeah.
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