Malcolm X had been lurking around for a while, observing us and checking us out. We felt him around us for a few interviews, and he eventually made himself known during Tupac’s interview, who said Malcolm X had led him to us. Tupac told us he’d be back for Malcolm’s interview, and he was! Funnily enough and just like with Tupac, we were set on interviewing Ian Curtis of Joy Division once again that evening, but Malcolm X made himself more insistent. Malcolm X enjoyed poking fun at Will, whose knowledge of his story was limited (which is actually a great thing for a medium – the less you know, the clearer your filter), and presented himself to us as a serious but gentle, wise soul with a great sense of humour. Malcolm X talked to us about his purpose, Spike Lee, his opinion on Obama (a question he made sure we’d ask), and described his death and transition experience. He also loved relating to us with animal symbolisms, which was pretty cool. We mostly kept our questions to the regular Psychic Punx questionnaire, but strongly felt that this interview would possibly inspire others to channel him and dig for deeper answers. It feels to us that Malcolm X and Tupac are on a similar mission of finding the right mediums to share their messages with, and using Psychic Punx as a platform to do that. Please don’t hesitate to comment and tell us about it if you’re one of those mediums! A lot of spirits were present for this interview, including JFK, Martin Luther King and Marilyn Monroe. Enjoy!
Will: Ok, let’s do Malcom. I got him.
Will: Now, I don’t know much about his personality, but he feels like…”strict” is the wrong word, but…”decorum”…He was a very…obviously very eloquent man, but extremely intelligent, too. He’s got this professor kind of vibe. I’ve got him on the line, if you wanna ask your questions.
Mimi: Yes! What else are you feeling for him, though? What type of personality or energy are you getting? You said “strict”? That would work.
Will: Um…he’s kind of reserved. I mean, he’s an open guy, obviously, that’s what his mission was about, to be a connector of ideas, dreams and thoughts, like a radical kind of guy, but at the same time, he doesn’t need a megaphone to talk! People were gonna hear him. So that’s kind of how he’s showing up now. It’s that very…I guess stoic is the word.
Mimi: That would make sense.
Will: Kind of like a lighthouse; he was meant to be seen, in a way. That’s kind of an odd image, but he’s just very calm, very collected…he’s just…[Laughs] he’s making fun of me now, he’s like “Why are you so nervous, Will?”
Mimi: Yeah, why are you so nervous, Will? [Laughs]
Will: I don’t know, I don’t know! I think he’s a big deal!
Mimi: Well obviously he’s a big deal, but that’s just you creating that separation.
Will: Yeah, I know.
Mimi: He’s just a dude. Consider him as just a dude we’re gonna interview. [Laughs]
Will: I’ll take that.
Mimi: Yeah, don’t worry about it. Ok – are you both ready?
Malcolm X: Ask your questions, young lady.
Mimi: It’s an honor to have you here with us, and thank you for calling me a young lady! [Laughs] Please describe your personality in one word, Malcom X!
Malcom X: Leader.
Mimi: Well there you go!
Will: He used a fancy word like “vanguard”, the guy at the front of the line. Oooh, he had a nice southern drawl on that. [With Southern accent] “The front of the line.”
Mimi: What was your greatest challenge?
Will: Uh…is this applicable? “Apartheid”
Mimi: Yeah, of course! He wasn’t in South Africa, but yes.
Will: That’s the word he just gave me.
Mimi: Can he expand on that?
Will: He says that was the focus of his movement, that’s kind of where he’s starting off. He’s poking fun and saying, “I assumed you would know that was my purpose.”
Malcolm X: Will…seriously, son. How do you not know what I did?
Will: [Laughs] I know what you did! I lost the question now.
Mimi: His greatest challenge – he said “Apartheid.”
Will: Yeah ok, that was a word for me to associate with. It’s all related around exactly what he did. So his greatest challenge – this is in hindsight, his answer – he didn’t feel he accomplished what he set out to do.
Mimi: [surprised] Really?
Will: Yeah…he wanted more. More change. He had higher goals, so the challenge was to meet those goals. I mean…he did well! [Laughs] As he’s saying too.
Malcolm X: I set the bar higher than what I could achieve, so that I would be great.
Will: But there’s always that background thought, of “I set the bar so high that I’d never get there.”
Malcolm X: But that’s ok. If I shoot for 100% and get 80%, but that 100% is an astronomical number in relation to what I was trying to accomplish, then the world’s already a better place.
Mimi: So he does see that he achieved great things – he’s not saying he didn’t.
Will: Oh yeah!
Mimi: Ok good! What was your greatest quality?
Malcolm X: My voice.
Mimi: Oh yeah! It commanded respect.
Will: Yeah…he equates it to a warrior poet voice: eloquent, but it held power.
Mimi: What were you here to learn?
Malcolm X: I was here to teach.
Mimi: [Smiles and nods]…Just the teacher role, then? Nothing to learn?
Will: [Listens] Yeah, mostly to teach. He says it’s not uncommon.
Malcolm X: As a human, you’re going to learn, but that was not my focus, it was not to be the student.
Mimi: Specifically then, what were you here to teach?
Malcolm X: It all goes back to love, young lady.
Mimi: I like him! [Laughs]
Malcolm X: Teach you how to be brothers. And to be brothers is to see the love in yourself.
Will: He’s showing me a mirror.
Malcolm X: It doesn’t matter what or who you see in the mirror.
Will: Anybody who looks in the mirror is going to see that reflection, but he wanted people to see that reflection while looking at someone else.
Mimi: He had radical views towards the beginning of his activism, though, that kind of promoted division, or the opposite of what he’s saying just now. What can he tell us about that?
Malcolm X: Oh, the great divide! The schism.
Will: He’s kind of backtracking now, he’s saying “I guess that was part of my lesson.”
Malcolm X: Yes that was a lesson. I was a student in that sense. It’s the same thing with everybody who learns: once you learn it, you can teach it.
Mimi: Oh yes, of course, I do get that. He had to experience it for himself, then do the 180.
Malcolm X: Many people in your interviews have said the same thing, but with different words.
Mimi: I was just thinking that too! I was thinking of our interview with Bob Ross.
Will: I just thought of Bob Ross too!
Mimi: He’s here – a lot of spirits are here for Malcolm X tonight.
Will: Yeah. He’s a big deal.
Mimi: He is a big deal. Like I told you earlier, I have JFK and Martin Luther King right behind me.
Will: No pressure. [Smiles] I’m not nervous though, it’s a good energy.
Mimi: Yeah, don’t be nervous! So, he already mentioned it and most of it is obvious, but let’s ask anyway and see if he can expand on that: what was your life purpose Malcolm X?
Will: There’s a lot of aspects to it, and a lot of it feels private, too.
Malcolm X: As a public figure, my job was to light fires, to let the light burn and give strength where it was needed.
Will: He’s very proud of that.
Mimi: Well yeah! And I was just gonna ask him what he’s most proud of.
Will: Yeah…the whole life is like a math equation, he says. You can’t be proud of just one thing, because it’s the sum. He was very intellectual, is what it feels like.
Mimi: Yes, yes he was! What is he least proud of?
Will: The fact that he had to be separated to see the non-separation [from his Source]. It feels like a really strong ego.
Mimi: That [separation] theme seems constant in his life…he also did time in prison – and that’s where he converted to Islam.
Malcolm X: Islam is love.
Mimi: Of course it is! But that feeling of separation or division, it feels to me that was a recurring theme throughout his life.
Malcolm X: Yes, that’s accurate.
Mimi: So can he tell us about his spiritual views now? Is he still of Islamic faith?
Will: It’s part of him, but…he’s everything now.
Mimi: What was his transition like? What happened when he passed?
Will: I don’t even know how he passed! Let me see if I can get that. [Listens] He’s laughing at me. [Laughs]
Malcolm X: Will…seriously, Will.
Will: [Laughs] It feels like it should’ve been painful but it wasn’t. Very peaceful exit. So I don’t know if that’s opposed to how he died, but…oh! He was assassinated?! He says he was shot!
Will: Oh ok, that’s what I’m seeing. But he says there was no pain there. So he wants to talk about that.
Malcolm X: That was my exit point. My soul knew it, angels pulled me out way before the trigger was pulled, and I got to watch it.
Malcolm X: It was very peaceful. The shooter is a friend of mine and did it out of love.
Will: Like a soul friend. That was a pre-arranged – obviously – exit point.
Malcolm X: The first thing I did once I was pulled out of my body was give him a big hug, then went off.
Mimi: So when he says, “the shooter was a friend of mine,” does he mean in spirit or…
Will: In spirit.
Mimi: Ok…because I don’t believe it is still known or proven, who did it.
Will: He says it doesn’t matter. He says you’ll know later [when Mimi passes], if you look it up.
Malcolm X: I’ll introduce you, young lady, I’ll introduce you.
Mimi: Ok! [Laughs] So…what was his life review like?
Will: He’s showing me a room…
Mimi: Not the table! [Laughs]
Will: No, not the table! [Will is frequently shown a table with spirit guides when asking about the life review.] He says it was very high tech, or it felt high tech to him. A giant chamber where it’s all lit up nice, but you don’t know where the light’s source comes from. Picture it like in The Matrix. Screens just appear…it’s funny cause I’m seeing all of it around me, like a complete 360 globe of just life events, things that happened, pieces to pick from.
Malcolm X: I critiqued myself because I felt that I was the best judge of that life, and I was allowed to do that.
Will: So it feels like he had a life review, but on his own.
Mimi: Yeah, and that doesn’t surprise me…a few other spirits have told us they were alone during that process. Tell us about an experience that shaped your spirit, either as Malcolm X or in spirit, on earth or anywhere else.
Will: Something to do with magic.
Malcolm X: When the world will see that there’s magic everywhere, it will be a great tool. Everything is magic.
Will: It’s strange, he’s like “let’s make it easy for you Will, you like the magic stuff, let’s talk about that.” He’s being very accommodating! [Laughs] It feels like he had a lot of lives where he was very silent, so that shaped his life [as Malcolm X] because he wanted to be heard and seen. He has like this collection of lives that were very peaceful and calm, but very isolated in some way, where he lived in his own world with just a few people, and tuned everything out. But the people didn’t get to experience his greatness. So he didn’t get to live those lives…dangerously is the wrong word…ferociously.
Malcolm X: I lived like a mouse instead of a lion. In this life, I wanted to be the lion.
Mimi: What made him want to come here and be the lion? What triggered that desire for him? On a spiritual level.
Malcolm X: I lived a lot of safe lives and wanted to be ferocious. Everyone has the opportunity to be loud and bold, and there was a yearning from my soul to be that. I shaped my life lessons around that feeling. It was the right time to do it.
Mimi: And why did he want to come and serve, specifically, the civil rights movement?
Malcolm X: They needed my voice. That’s a lesson for all of humanity, not just for the people I spoke to or touched.
Mimi: Hell yeah! Have you incarnated as something other than a human, Malcolm X? I’m kind of looking forward to hearing about THAT.
Will: He was waiting for that question!
Mimi: Was he?! Why? [Laughs]
Malcolm X: Because I can tell you anything I want, I’ve done it all.
Will: He’s showing me a lot of animals.
Mimi: A lion.
Will: Well, he grew strength from that and I’m sure he was one at some point, but he’s actually showing me a rabbit.
Mimi: [Laughs] Ok!
Will: He’s like “I know it’s funny, but…”
Mimi: It’s not that it’s funny, it’s mostly just surprising. He tends to go where we don’t expect him to go.
Malcolm X: I enjoy the animals because it’s a life that involves no pressure.
Mimi: Except when you’re being hunted, Malcolm.
Will: [Laughs] Aaaah, you beat me to it by seconds! Yes, but even then, he says, “how alive do you feel in that moment?”
Malcom X: When the wolf clamps down on you, that’s love. It’s the same thing with my death. It’s the same thing. Everything is a lesson in love.
Mimi: Was his death perfect in that sense, then, since he said earlier he wished he could have done more? Could he have extended his life?
Will: The human side did not know, but yes, you are correct.
Mimi: But, he knew there were people who were planning to kill him, that’s what I meant by that. Was it really a surprise, on a human level, for him?
Will: Yes, he was surprised.
Malcolm X: People can say they’re going to kill you, but when you live life ferociously like I did, it’s not a big deal, it’s a common thing.
Mimi: Right, exactly. The lion.
Malcolm X: Every time you step out of the rabbit hole, there’s gonna be a fox. Eventually, the fox will get you, but it does not make your life incomplete.
Mimi: Holy shit I love that answer!
Malcolm X: My life was not incomplete just because the wolf ate that day.
Will: Yeah…I was waiting for more, but that’s the sentiment.
Mimi: Share a favorite memory of your life as Malcolm X.
Will: Was he friends with a lot of movie producers? It’s something relating to that….the entertainment industry.
Mimi: Well there was a movie about his life, with Denzel Washington.
Will: Is there a Spike Lee connection? Why am I seeing Spike Lee wearing an X cap?
Mimi: It was Spike Lee’s movie!
Will: Oh! Gotcha.
Mimi: So why is he bringing that up as a favorite memory?
Will: He’s chuckling.
Malcolm X: I liked my movie.
Will: That’s the answer.
Mimi: …that’s kind of fucking amazing, that he wants us to know he liked the movie! Malcolm X liked your movie, Spike Lee! So he liked Denzel’s portrayal of him. I’m glad he brought that up, I was gonna ask him about that! So does he have a special mission up there, what does he do? I should stop talking as though he’s not there! Do you have a special mission, Malcolm?
Will: Um…he wants you to elaborate.
Mimi: Is there something specific that your consciousness or spirit does in the afterlife? It’s alright if there isn’t of course.
Will: No, there is. He’s showing me a megaphone, but it’s not on full volume. He likes to whisper ideas…he’s still connected to Hollywood, too, because they’re…they’re kind of deciding what is the norm, through movies. “Enlightenment.” Talking to these documentary makers or history buffs – just people who are making connections through movies or television. So he’s helping with that, putting people at the right place, where they need to be, with the right connections. He’s helping out people who have the population’s eyes and ears through movies or documentaries.
Mimi: To make more “enlightening” movies?
Mimi: I see. Well that’s a pretty noble cause, and kind of a surprising answer. Cool. Oh! So I know he’s waiting for this next question, I know he’s going to enjoy answering it, cause when I talked to him earlier [before the interview] I asked him what question he wanted me to ask, and that’s what he gave me, and man did he laugh about it. I’m looking forward to hearing his answer! So here it is: tell us what is your opinion of Obama, please?
Will: [Laughs] Oh no! Yeah he’s laughing. Why is he laughing? [Laughs]
Mimi: I don’t know! [Laughs]
Will: It feels like he wants to mock him a little bit.
Mimi: Yeah, I do feel that too.
Will: Yeah…he wants to mock him for pretending to be who he thinks he’s projecting, but people are seeing through it. And it’s not like it’s a bad thing, but yeah…he’s like “Really? This is the man we get to be the representative of the first black man in office?”
Malcolm X: He ho-hums his way through it. Where’s the fierceness?
Mimi: Ah! He wants the lion!
Malcolm X: He did all right. I’m not gonna fault the man.
Mimi: So what animal is Obama, Malcolm?
Malcolm X: Not a sheep, that would be too passive. He’s got teeth, but he’s not allowed to use them. He’s a trained bear. Like a circus bear.
Mimi: [Incredulous] “Like a circus bear.”
Malcolm X: A dangerous animal, but someone’s got him on a leash.
Mimi: Well yeah…I do feel that any president is on some sort of leash to begin with, sure. Let’s see what JFK has to say about that…[listens]…he’s just laughing. Can Malcolm X tell us why JFK is here? I don’t know if they actually liked each other…at least I don’t think Malcolm did.
Will: It’s an energy thing…they had very similar purposes. They’re both kind of catalysts for change.
Malcolm X: There’s a synchronicity in the way we went out. Very similar vibrations, and you always find the people who harmoniously vibrate at your level. It goes beyond what humans can experience as far as “oneness.” There’s a reason why people use the word “resonate” a lot, because it’s a harmony, and when you find people who are harmonious with your energy, even in the spirit world, you gravitate towards and around them. Just like with music: when you find the instruments that harmonize well together, you’ve got your song. It’s a very powerful question you ask, young lady, but that’s essentially why. By all means, ask him why, but that is why I feel he is present.
Will: It’s funny because I’m seeing Malcolm X looking at JFK, and JFK going “yeah.” [Laughs]
Mimi: Yes, it feels friendly now. He really didn’t have a high opinion of him when he was alive, though. But I’ll take his word for it! Is he going to come back as another leader or teacher at some point? Or is he already?
Will: I don’t feel he’s back, simply because he’s waiting for the right time. Seems like a very patient fellow.
Malcolm X: It’s not the right time, but it’s not out of the question.
Will: Feels like he’s going to be more of a support for someone when he does come back. Like he’s gonna be connected to a different movement, and not as the figurehead. He’s giving me “I don’t want to be in the line of fire again” kind of jokes.
Malcolm X: I don’t need to be in the spotlight again.
Mimi: Does he have anything he’d like to tell us, at this point, any messages for people who will be reading this?
Will: [Laughs] Did you invite Tupac here?
Mimi: [Laughs] No! But remember he said he would come for Malcolm’s interview.
Will: Well, he just showed up, and he’s like “ I can handle this, I know how to do the exits!” [Laughs]
Mimi: I told Tupac he would have to let Malcolm speak and show up at the end.
Will: He’s being so respectful! Not barging in! [Laughs] It feels like they’re together a lot.
Mimi: Yeah I know. What is that about? The similar vibrations again, I guess?
Tupac: It’s a black thing, Will.
Malcolm X: It’s a love thing.
Tupac: That’s right. I wanted to show up at the end and be like [to us] “we cool?””
Mimi: [Laughs] Of course we are! But he hasn’t just “shown up,” he’s been here from the beginning. He waited till the end to make his presence known, thank you, Tupac! [Laughs]
Tupac: See, I’m learnin’ too!
Mimi: Oh! Tupac! I’m so grateful for that experience with you because that made me realize just how much my boundaries were out of fucking whack!
Will: It served its purpose.
Mimi: Right, exactly. So I have another question that relates to Tupac. When we interviewed him, we asked him what led him to us, and his said “Malcolm X.” Why did Malcolm X lead Tupac to us, and why didn’t he step up first to be interviewed? Cause I had felt Malcolm lurking around a lot before that interview, and kept waiting for the right moment.
Will: It’s confusing because it has to do with that whole “timeless” thing. It’s funny, he says, “you find the people that can get the messages out, and you pay attention to that [as a spirit]. When you find the people who are gonna resonate with that at that time, you go to them. At that time, the ridiculousness – and Tupac’s laughing at that – the ridiculousness of Tupac interrupting that interview made it legitimate.”
Malcolm X: Then I saw that it could be handled and translated properly. I’ve always been watching.
Will: It’s a timeless thing – everything is now.
Malcolm X: You’re question is flawed, because I was always there. It’s a matter of getting your frequency up to where you needed it to be.
Mimi: Oh yeah, I definitely understand that! And he sent Tupac to test the waters, it feels like.
Will: Yeah, definitely.
Mimi: Ok so…message! [Laughs]
Will: It feels like he wants to deliver this giant speech! [Laughs]
Mimi: Haha! Of course!
Malcolm X: Try to find the beauty in everything, because it’s there. Try to find the magic in everything because it’s permeating the air.
Will: Oh man…he’s rhyming. Oh, he’s rhyming! I wish I could do it in the same voice he’s doing it.
Malcolm X: You just ruined the flow, Will.
Will: Shit! [Laughs] [Tries to listen again] Now I just got embarrassed and shut myself off! [Laughs]
Mimi: I know! Now you’re putting pressure on yourself cause you feel it has to rhyme. Just go with whatever he’s gonna give you.
Will: [Listening] He goes “Find the beauty in everything because it’s there. Look for the magic, it’s in the air. And just feel the love in everyone, because it’s there.” That’s it.
Mimi: Feels like he got help from Tupac!
Will: [Laughs] Hey man, it could’ve been Tupac, I don’t know.
Mimi: That was beautiful Malcolm.
Will: He says “thank you.” In essence, he says that’s his message. Just love each other.
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