Wendy O. Williams

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Wendy O. Williams was so down for this interview, and kept sending Mimi amazing jolts of excited, love-filled energy every time she was around her to let her know just how happy she was about it. Wendy also gave Mimi strong impressions that she wanted Alison to channel her. Wendy’s no-filter and intense personality came through beautifully, and Alison was also able to capture her love of animals, her despise for social conformity, and her issues with human nature in general. Wendy also gave us some strange info about a possible UFO encounter and shared her strong dislike for “candy floss” rebel James Dean and all things fake. She gave us her views on suicide, religion, and some nice spiritual pearls of wisdom, Wendy O. style. And Joey Ramone hung out! Enjoy and share!

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Alison: So who are we doing?

Mimi: Wendy O. Williams!

Alison: I’ve no clue who that is! [Laughs]

Mimi: That’s ok! She was in a punk band called The Plasmatics.

Alison: Right. I don’t know anything about her. So, she’s fairly modern, then.

Mimi: Yes. So, I don’t know how her energy is going to come across for you, but every time she’s been around me to let me know she wanted to do this, she’d get so excited!

Alison: Right. I’m not feeling her that much for now, but I just heard the words “Art nouveau.”

Mimi: Yeah, sure.

Alison: Was she around or influenced by Andy Warhol, cause she’s showing me Andy Warhol pictures?

Mimi: Well, it’s not the same type of energy, but she was a full-on artist and performance artist. I can see how he could have been an influence.

Alison: Right, well I’m fairly sure I’ve got her. She’s giving me a funny taste on the tip of my tongue, I don’t know what that is. [Pause] Um… lollipops. She’s showing me lollipops on sticks. [Laughs]

Mimi: Oh! I just saw a video of her performing on some TV show and she had two sticks coming out of her boobs. I couldn’t see what it was and was actually asking myself if they were lollipop sticks! [Laughs] You got her, then.

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Alison [Laughs]: I nearly spat me tea out when you said that!

Mimi: She was unique. I love her. Ask her what drew her to Psychic Punx, why did she come to us?

Alison: Psychic Punx is kind of an exciting new development for these guys. [Laughs] She’s laughing because The Shiny Show has totally different types of guests. And that’s a lot of fun, but she wants to be in with the rough crowd.

Mimi: Oh yeah. Cause we’re so tough you and I, Alison. [Laughs]

Alison: Just the type of guests that you’re exploring with this.

Mimi: Yes, I got what she meant! [Laughs]

Alison: Yeah, the “rough crowd.” Not you and me, no! [Laughs]

Mimi: Ok well that makes sense. Why did she want you to channel her?

Alison: Um…I think it’s got something to do with my laugh! My casual…the casual way that I deliver the information.

Mimi: You know what, you kind of look like her a little, too! I just realized that!

Alison: Do I? [Laughs] I’ll have to have a look. I feel a connection to her on some level. I don’t know what it is, but I do feel connected to her on some level, even though I don’t know who she is. I’m getting some strange aches and pains in my body now though. Ovaries…something going on with the ovaries, there. Oh! [Grimaces] It’s pretty bad. And then stomach as well. The ovary one is really painful, that’s the dominant one. Another thing she’s giving me now is a headache, and my nose is starting to clog up. Big headache. I think she was probably dabbling in a few substances. This pain’s just getting stronger in my head and it’s here [points to forehead] mostly. I feel that she was fairly battle scarred. I don’t know what it is exactly that she died of, but it feels like there’s a lot, that she was battle scarred.

Mimi: Well she died of a self-inflicted gun shot wound, although I don’t know if that was in the head or not.

Alison: Right. Usually it’s the head because anywhere else, chances of survival go up.

Mimi: True. Ok, let’s just start. Can she describe her personality in one word for us?

Alison: “Objectional.”

Mimi: Hah, yes. What did she object to?

Alison: Pretty much…everything. Society as a whole was just…a ridiculous falsehood. She saw society as false, fake. Full of fake people. The thing that she’s latching on to the most was the fakery of “face to face.” Like people in your face say one thing, and then behind your back say another. That’s the kind of fakery that she found abhorrent. People who pretend and put on masks. People just not being true to themselves. And she hated that…she hated that about people.

Wendy O. Williams: Just be who you are, just be you. Stop trying to conform to some bullshit notion of what society says you should be.

Mimi: That was in all her lyrics, basically.

Alison: Really? [Laughs] Fantastic.

Mimi: Yes! What was your greatest challenge, Wendy?

Alison: I’m seeing pictures of an animal, a pet. D’you know if she grieved for a pet? It’s a dog. It’s like this unconditional relationship with an animal. Her greatest challenge I feel was grief.

Mimi: Well, that would make a heap load of sense because she was an animal activist. And vegetarian, way before it was “cool.” In the last years of her life she retired from the scene and worked with animals. I don’t know if she had a pet she grieved, but with her being so sensitive to animals in general, it would make sense that this would be one of her greatest challenges.

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Alison: It probably does refer to the greater picture then, but I can actually see a picture of her holding a dog in her arms, and it’s a very emotional moment [gets teary eyed].

Mimi: Aw, Wendy. What was your greatest quality?

Wendy O. Williams: My tits!

Mimi: Yes! [Laughs] I fucking love her, damnit!

Alison: [Laughs] Me too! [Wipes eyes] Very intense emotion about that dog.

Mimi: Intense? Yeah. I’m surprised she hasn’t used that word to describe her personality!

Alison: Oh yeah, she’s full on. She would probably intimidate me in the flesh, I would imagine. [Laughs]

Mimi: Yeah, powerful energy, she probably did intimidate a lot of people, but I could always see her sensitivity and shyness underneath all that. Are there any lessons you were meant to learn in this lifetime but that you feel you haven’t?

Alison: She said “many,” there were many lessons she didn’t learn. She was so focused on seeing things a certain way that that blocked her from seeing…let’s go back to the beginning where she said something about how she felt about society, where she gave us the “fakery.” That was so fixed in her head that it prevented her from seeing outside of that. That was a problem in her life, and that gave her a one-track mind, and that resulted in missing out on opportunities coming her way, because of this one-track mind. So what she’s indicating is that she could have been so much greater had she not had a mind or beliefs like that. It comes across as being very black and white. You either are this way or you’re not this way, and there’s nothing in between, there’s no gray separation with her. I feel like if she was pissed off with somebody, they never got in the door again. If they upset her – oh, I’m covered in goosebumps! – if someone upset her, that was it. They didn’t get a second chance with this girl. Unforgiving. Not just on other people but also on herself. She was hard on herself. The suicide stuff she was talking about was there all the time, she was constantly thinking about how she could get off this planet.

Mimi: Yes.

Alison: So, it was pretty bad. Manic…she’s calling herself manic. I don’t think her childhood was very good, there was a lot of emotional lacking in her childhood that kind of created this framework for her to live by.

Wendy O. Williams: If you didn’t show me love, I wasn’t going to give you a second chance. If you were fake with me, fuck off.

Alison: So that was her downfall. I don’t see it as a downfall, but she’s calling it her “downfall,” she sees how she could have been so much greater if she’d dealt with her issues instead of allowing them to be the canvas to which her life rolled out, I guess. But she’s showing me her childhood, little girl, around the 4-5 mark. I’m getting a father influence. Something happened to her that made her go “this is the way it is” and to some degree it’s a protection thing for her. If you do anything that makes her think you’re going to hurt her in any way, that’s it, you’re out.

Mimi: Wow. What can she tell us about suicide?

Alison: She says it’s right up there with “murder,” conceptually, because of how it affects people. It creates this bizarre shock in people, and it’s bizarre because of the beliefs that actually cause people to feel shamed. If a family member’s committed suicide, other family members can feel shame.

Mimi: Or guilt.

Alison: Yeah, that’s another one. It’s just an awful thing to experience.

Wendy O. Williams: But you get the most learning out of it because it drives people to – if they open themselves up to that – understand death and examine their own lives.

Alison: So she’s even putting it above murder, if you want to put it in a hierarchy, just because the belief systems are so entrenched as to what suicide actually means.

Wendy O. Williams: Stupid people who think that people who commit suicide go to Hell. How fucking ridiculous is that? You’re so distressed that you have to check out, then this all-mighty God turns around and says “well FUCK YOU for doing that! I’m throwing you in Hell.” That’s fucking ridiculous!

Mimi: [Laughs] I love her!

Alison: [Laughs] She’s putting Highway to Hell by AC-DC in my head now!

Wendy O. Williams: Heaven is Hell if you want it to be, but you have to want it to be.

Mimi: Yep – that’s very well put, thank you Wendy. What was your life purpose?

Wendy O. Williams: To try and not fuck up so much!

Mimi: How’d that go?

Alison: She’s funny. [Laughs] The jury’s still out on that one, she says. But she did have a life review and she does understand that her life was actually a lot more expansive than what she’s giving herself credit for. It was a very expansive life and it’s given her a lot of food for thought. Um…she’s friends with The Ramones, she’s kind of bringing them in, they’re here.

Mimi: Oh yes, that would make sense. Joey’s energy is familiar around these parts. And they were friends, also. What do you feel was your greatest achievement, Wendy O.?

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Alison: The relationship with this animal is her greatest achievement, because it’s the only being on this planet that she could achieve unconditional love with. She was not able to achieve that with any other living thing.

Mimi: What are you least proud of?

Wendy O. Williams: Not being able to have that experience with other beings.

Alison: She calls them “beings.” She is…you’ll have to see if you can confirm this but she is indicating to me that she’s had an encounter with a UFO.

Mimi: Oh!

Alison: She’s showing me cows as well…she’s talking about experiments that are being done on cattle…bovines…she somehow made a connection with that…I don’t know what it is because she’s only sending me images of it. She says she knew there was shit going down when she found out about this stuff. She saw or had an encounter with a UFO, and that gave her a broader perspective. It was very helpful in her life. She was weirded out by what they were doing. [Laughs] Did that answer your question? I forgot the question!

Mimi: It don’t matter now! [Laughs] You know, from her interviews, it felt like she was possibly like that, kind of random in her thoughts. Zero filter.

Alison: Right. Yeah, that would make sense to me.

Mimi: What is the greatest misconception people had about you, Wendy?

Wendy O. Williams: I don’t fucking care.

Alison: Hahaha!

Mimi: Yes! Damn! [Laughs]

Alison: [Laughs] Yeah, she really did NOT care what people thought about her, this one. She was here and she was making her statement, and you either went with it or you didn’t.

Mimi: That is true, that is pretty much her. And that pretty much answers the next question then: What made you feel inadequate or disconnected to others?

Alison: Patience. That lack of ability to love unconditionally and be the God-like spirit that she is. She’s telling me that she had an inner circle of friends that understood her and never judged her. They put up with whatever they needed to put up with, they were really good to her. They just understood her. She’s calling them her “soul group.” She doesn’t want to give the impression that she was a loner, cause she wasn’t. It was that heartfelt connection, where you would walk off a bridge if you thought it was gonna save somebody.

Mimi: Is there anything you considered to be bullshit or morally wrong that you now view as perfect or understand differently?

Alison: It’s about people, the objection she had to people. She understands every single one of them now, from where she is. Why they behaved the way they behaved. She’s got the capacity to forgive now, but she didn’t have that capacity then, because she was continuously wearing these blinkers.

Mimi: What was your belief about God when you were alive?

Wendy O. Williams: Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit!

Alison: She’s talking about extreme religions. But she understands…she didn’t know that when she was here that this was all just this “big fucking cosmic joke of a game” [Laughs]. She’s showing me…there’s somebody called Jim Jones, like…a cult leader, or something like that? And how they all…committed suicide? Of some sort…but those types of things, she calls “completely irrational.”

Mimi [Googles the info]: Yes, that’s accurate.

Alison: But she understands all that now. I don’t know when that Jim Jones thing happened, but…

Mimi: In the late 70s.

Alison: She couldn’t understand people who could fall into those traps, but she can now.

Wendy O. Williams: Those people had a lot of growth when they crossed over, they were celebrated for choosing such a weird life path!

Mimi: Nice angle on that, sure.

Alison: [Laughs] Yeah. It’s like, “didn’t we do a great job of showing the world why it’s not a good idea to become sheep?” So there were a lot of benefits to that that she could not get her head around when she was here.

Mimi: What was your conception of “evil” when you were alive, and how has that changed?

Alison: Um…she did see things as “evil” – she saw the world as a difficult place. Not a religious evil but just…evil for the sake of evil. She doesn’t see it like that now.

Wendy O. Williams: Often, what you see as evil, we see a greater purpose to it and the ripple effects of that. The person that creates the supposed “evil” is usually just giving themselves in ways that you’re incapable of seeing from the human perspective. The teaching and learning that comes out of that is just phenomenal. Beyond human language.

Mimi: Agreed! Have you encountered someone in the afterlife that you hated, then, when you were alive, Wendy? How’d that go?

Alison: [Laughs] Well…I don’t think she would’ve met James Dean, but she is indicating James Dean is someone she had a connection with.

Mimi: Wait…you hated James Dean?

Alison: She hated everything that Hollywood stood for. James Dean was the personification of false glory…[Laughs]…

Wendy O. Williams: But he’s a really nice guy!

Mimi: Of all the possible answers to that one, “James Dean” was not what I was expecting! And so…what, you guys are hanging and making out now?

Alison: She’s like “ew, no.” [Laughs] She doesn’t fancy him.

Mimi: Probably the only woman in the world who doesn’t. Good.

Alison: I don’t feel like that’s a surprise, to be honest. [Laughs]

Mimi: It’s not, no!

Alison: She’s calling him “candy floss.” She’s going like this [puts finger in mouth to vomit]

Mimi: [Laughs] I think it’s the 80s too….I think he had some resurgence in the 80s, too, you know, with those laminated photos of him with the gross pink neon colors? She probably saw too much of his face.

Alison: [Laughs] Yeah.

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Mimi: What is the biggest life lesson we can take from your life, Wendy?

Wendy O. Williams: Try not to fuck up your body so much. If your life isn’t hard enough already, fucking up your body won’t improve it.

Alison: I feel like she’s been pummeled, like…beaten up at some point.

Mimi: I believe she has, yes.

Alison: I’m seeing bruises on her body [points to the stomach area].

Mimi: Yes, that would make sense. Because…she was doing this at a time when this kind of music still shocked people, especially in the US, and as a woman she was doing “weird” things and being very openly sexual. I do think there are stories of her being beaten up by red neck assholes, yeah.

Alison: Oh ok. That’s dreadful. Well no wonder she was so hard nosed, if she was treated like that. But there were big lessons learned for her, because of the prejudice against her as a woman.

Wendy O. Williams: It kinda seeps back to religion.

Mimi: Not even “kinda”: it does 100%!

Wendy O. Williams: The guys in charge and the women being responsible for them not being able to keep their dick in their pants.

Alison: So she probably did a fair more teaching than what she expressed here so far.

Mimi: For damn sure! She is still today profoundly underestimated as an artist. A lot of people consider her to be a farce, which is so outrageous to me. She was a serious artist! And what, because she had a weird haircut or showed her tits and sang about fucking, that would make her less interesting or important than the hundreds of thousands of other dudes who had weird haircuts and sang about fucking? Please. She was a feminist and an animal activist, two ideas that were not cool in the 70s and 80s, too. [Jumps] Oh! I think she liked me saying that cause I just got full on chills!

Alison: [Laughs] Yeah, you’ve gotta admire that kind of creativity. I do.

Mimi: And fearlessness, yeah. Alright Wendy…Do you experience any human emotions, still, like lust…boredom…hopefully not now?

Alison: [Laughs] Yeah…um…yes and no. You do but it’s not the same, the intensity is not the same. They come in waves…

Wendy O. Williams: If you really want to experience them, if you really want to be a human again and get your fill, you can bring your energy down here and you’ll soon pick up on those emotions and stay in that vibration for a while if you want to. But I don’t fucking want to.

Mimi: Yeah, I didn’t think you would! Did you enjoy your human experience? I’m gonna take it the answer is no.

Wendy O. Williams: As a human, the answer is no, as a spirit, it was a fucking phenomenal life.

Mimi: Yes! What would you say to someone who is currently not enjoying their life?

Wendy O. Williams: Make the most of not enjoying it, because if you don’t make the most of not enjoying it, you’ll regret it. You haven’t put your full ass into it, you’ve only gone half-assed. So if you’re gonna be a miserable cunt, at least do it with some style and flair. Be creative about it. Just enjoy it. Every single one of you is large and in charge of your existence. If it’s not what you want it to be, if you’re sitting around moaning and whining, then for fucks sakes, just fuck off. Stop it!

Alison: I like her, she doesn’t pull any punches at all. [Laughs] I can feel Joey…Joey Ramone coming through, he loves her.

Mimi: Yeah, Joey hangs around a lot, hi Joey! If we were to contact you Wendy, what could you help us with?

Alison: Art. She likes the arty stuff, that’s her place. But anything you’d like, really.

Wendy O. Williams: If you want to know how to be a great rebel, I’m your gal.

Mimi: Thank you Wendy O.!

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